[21:29] <ProdigyX> cold substances are hot substances[21:29] <LB> I lagged out[21:29] <ProdigyX> they are the same[21:29] <LB> somehow[21:29] <LB> I asked what Absolute 0 was to Eliyahu[21:29] <Eliyahu> nonexistant.[21:29] <ProdigyX> the lowest grade u can get on a spanish test[21:29] <Eliyahu> 0 kelvin.[21:29] RickyG has entered the room
[21:29] <LB> O[21:29] <LB> M[21:29] <LB> G[21:29] <LB> It's[21:29] <Eliyahu> RICKYGRANDE[21:29] <LB> RickyG![21:29] <ProdigyX> lol[21:29] <RickyG>

[21:29] <RickyG> LB[21:29] <ProdigyX> dat interception[21:29] <ProdigyX> by Eliyahu[21:29] <Eliyahu> TOUCHDOWN[21:29] <RickyG> would you like to alpha test?[21:29] <Jacob>

[21:29] <LB> that was football quality indeed[21:29] <Jacob> RickyG :3[21:29] <ProdigyX>

[21:29] <RickyG> Jacob![21:30] <RickyG> Jacob![21:30] <RickyG>

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[21:30] <RickyG> would you like to alpha test as well?[21:30] Jacob has left the room
[21:30] <RickyG> hahahahahaha[21:30] <Eliyahu> I want to wumbo test[21:30] <LB> Jacob D:[21:31] <RickyG> Eliyahu![21:31] <RickyG> greetings!

[21:31] <Eliyahu> im about to leave for bed[21:31] <Eliyahu> i can't alpha test for you.[21:31] <Eliyahu> let me know when you hit gamma[21:31] <RickyG> thats ok[21:32] <RickyG> lol[21:32] <RickyG> gamma is release[21:32] <Eliyahu> you're doing it wrong.[21:32] <Eliyahu> Pi is release.[21:32] <Eliyahu> because it's pi.[21:32] <RickyG> and everyone like pi[21:32] <Eliyahu> exactly[21:32] <RickyG> but im sorry you're wrong[21:32] <Eliyahu> so you can't have a bad release if you release pi[21:32] <RickyG> pi is after all the patches and dlc[21:32] <Eliyahu> i'm sorry you don't see the line between wrong and visionary u_u[21:32] <RickyG> it's the gotw eddition[21:32] <Eliyahu> jk[21:35] Jacob has entered the room
[21:35] <LB> Hello, Jacob!

[21:35] <RickyG> Jacob![21:36] <RickyG>

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[21:36] <ProdigyX> :P[21:36] <Jacob> So I was totally joking about running away[21:36] <RickyG> http://gamebuilder.info/world/arcade/just-test-soon-be-deleted[21:36] <Jacob> I lost connection by pure coincedence[21:36] <RickyG> ^[21:36] <Jacob> Dammit Ricky[21:36] <Jacob> you can't make posts on GB[21:36] <RickyG> lol[21:36] <ProdigyX> LOL[21:36] <Jacob> People will think it's back or active or something[21:36] <ProdigyX> there goes[21:36] <ProdigyX> the streak[21:36] <RickyG> it's my host[21:36] <ProdigyX> the streak is gone[21:36] <ProdigyX> GG[21:36] <Eliyahu> Ricky, can I change the GameBuilder logo to say GameMaker, then see how long it takes for anyone to notice?[21:36] <Eliyahu> We can take bets.[21:37] <RickyG> hahahahaha[21:37] <Jacob> Gamemakerbuilder[21:37] <RickyG> rofl[21:39] <Eliyahu> if it lasts a month, remove GB

[21:39] <ProdigyX> lol?[21:39] <RickyG> >.>[21:39] <ProdigyX> i would bet[21:39] <Eliyahu> it's worth removing, P90X.[21:39] <ProdigyX> a week[21:39] <ProdigyX> as i know[21:39] <ProdigyX> a couple of admins[21:39] <ProdigyX> weekly look at it[21:39] <ProdigyX> **one[21:39] <Eliyahu> admins?[21:39] <Eliyahu> lol[21:39] <ProdigyX> ****green name[21:39] <RickyG> lol[21:39] <ProdigyX> **********Snail[21:39] Snail has entered the room
[21:39] <ProdigyX> *cough cough*[21:40] <Eliyahu> probably to make him feel better about his own games.[21:40] <ProdigyX> boom[21:40] <ProdigyX> BOOM[21:40] <ProdigyX> dat timing[21:40] <Eliyahu> ah are you two connected on facebook now?[21:40] <LB> Hello, SlugInAShell![21:40] <RickyG> Snail[21:40] <ProdigyX> lol[21:40] <Eliyahu> Bonjour, escargot.[21:40] <ProdigyX> dat timing[21:40] <RickyG> alpha test snail[21:40] <ProdigyX> impeccable[21:40] <RickyG> http://gamebuilder.info/world/arcade/just-test-soon-be-deleted[21:40] <ProdigyX> truely impeccable[21:40] <RickyG> alpha test[21:40] <Snail> Hey![21:40] <ProdigyX> Snail dont u still visit gamebuilder?[21:40] <RickyG> Hey![21:40] <RickyG> >.>  alpha test[21:40] <Snail> What's Gamebuilder?[21:40] <Eliyahu> ProdigyX, now i dont know if your summoning was intentional.[21:40] <RickyG> ;_;[21:40] <Eliyahu> or if you really are the black Jesus.,[21:41] <ProdigyX> Eliyahu[21:41] <ProdigyX> both[21:41] <ProdigyX> they are the same[21:41] <ProdigyX> we[21:41] <Eliyahu> facebook planning?[21:41] <ProdigyX> are the same[21:41] <RickyG> now you're jusst some site that i used to know[21:41] <ProdigyX> snail u have a fb :O[21:41] <ProdigyX> lol RickyG[21:41] <Eliyahu>

[21:41] <ProdigyX> i dont usually summon[21:41] <ProdigyX> but when i do[21:41] <ProdigyX> shitt happens[21:41] <Snail> I don't use Facebook anymore, no.[21:41] <ProdigyX> see Eliyahu

[21:42] <ProdigyX> i am a lvl 85 summoner[21:42] <ProdigyX>

[21:42] <ProdigyX> sadly[21:42] <Eliyahu> i dont always go to bed, but when i do, I forget to say goodbye on CC.[21:42] Eliyahu has left the room
[21:42] <ProdigyX> women is exclusive to [21:42] <ProdigyX> dang[21:42] <ProdigyX> he left[21:42] <ProdigyX> lol[21:42] <RickyG> Jacob![21:43] <RickyG> i must go[21:43] <RickyG> woosh![21:43] RickyG has left the room
[21:43] <LB> omg it's not rickyg[21:44] <Jacob> That game is awesome[21:46] <LB> I don't like rickyg's humor :\[21:47] <Jacob> FRIENDS OFF[21:51] <Ethan> lol, whatever game that is that Rickyg made is hilarious and pretty cool[22:01] <LB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMRmOIGaFnw[22:02] <LB> Ethan check that out[22:02] <LB> using a bug tracker with minecraft[22:02] <LB>

[22:04] <Ethan> lol[22:08] Chaos has entered the room
[22:08] <Chaos> Hey all[22:08] <Jacob> hi[22:08] <Chaos> oh man, Xstar... makes my head hurt every time i see one of his posts.[22:08] <Jacob> Can you ban him please?[22:09] <Chaos> i almost did at one point, caught him trying to sell one of the games I made for an old 20 event compo[22:09] <Jacob> Oh really?[22:09] <Chaos> Yeah[22:10] <ProdigyX> lloll wut[22:10] <ProdigyX> ya see guys[22:10] <ProdigyX> HGF aint too bad[22:10] <ProdigyX>

[22:10] <ProdigyX> Xstar pulled a DannyC[22:11] <Chaos> Caught him trying to sell my 20 event compo game, "quickshot"[22:11] <Chaos> I had some screenshots of it, it was amusing, but I seem to have deleted t hem[22:11] <ProdigyX> **he seems to have[22:11] <Chaos> except he renamed it 'flashbang'[22:11] <ProdigyX> haha[22:11] <ProdigyX> flashbang[22:11] <ProdigyX> Xd[22:11] <ProdigyX>

[22:11] <Jacob> Flash, bang[22:12] <Jacob> and in that order[22:12] <Chaos> lol[22:14] <Alonso> Hey (:[22:14] <Alonso> Who's Xstar?[22:14] <ProdigyX> eliyahu says its HGF[22:17] <Chaos> lol[22:18] <Chaos> its some kid from virginia[22:18] <Chaos> http://xstargaming.webs.com/apps/webstore/products[22:19] DT has entered the room
[22:19] <Chaos> wish i had kept those screenshots.[22:19] <Alonso> Are you serious?[22:19] <Alonso> http://xstargaming.webs.com/apps/webstore/products/show/2880246[22:19] liquixcat has entered the room
[22:19] <Alonso> He expects me to pay $5 just for that screenshot?[22:19] <Alonso> Wb.[22:19] <liquixcat> thanks[22:20] <Alonso> "Over 40 levels to explore! This platformer game has much to explore, containing over 20 monsters to destroy! Battle deadly bosses, cunning foes, and work your way to destroy the Corruption. "[22:20] <ProdigyX> he says he is 13[22:20] <ProdigyX> but his facebook extension is 96[22:20] <ProdigyX> which would make him 16[22:20] <ProdigyX> @_@[22:20] <Chaos> well, coming from a guy who tries to sell other peoples works, and then just asks for people to program things for him in the forums... im not surprised.[22:21] <Alonso> Ah, he's just a kid.[22:21] <Chaos> this thread pretty much sums up his overall behavior on the forums[22:21] <Chaos> http://community.clickteam.com/showthread.php?t=73733[22:21] <Chaos> I told him a few threads back, hes not going to get much help if he doesnt at least attempt things for himself first.[22:22] <Alonso> Oh, well. I remember trying to sound very professional when I was like 8-12. I ripped lucasarts' graphics and wanted to sell games before I had even begun making them (:[22:22] <liquixcat> Is XStar a boy or a girl?[22:22] <Chaos> its a boy[22:22] <Chaos> but looks ... girly.[22:22] <liquixcat> With totally girl eyes[22:22] <Chaos> oh hey LB[22:22] <ProdigyX> thatas what i said liquixcat[22:22] <ProdigyX> i thought it was a guy[22:22] <ProdigyX> for like[22:22] <ProdigyX> months[22:22] <Alonso> Oh, it's that dude?[22:22] <ProdigyX> then i realized[22:22] <ProdigyX> :O[22:22] <ProdigyX> its a guy[22:22] <Chaos> forgot to tell you before you left, your page is awesome, ive bookmarked it. [22:22] <ProdigyX> then i laughed to myself[22:23] <liquixcat> that poor guy looks like an ugly girl more than a girly guy[22:23] <liquixcat>

[22:23] <Alonso> What page, Chaos?[22:23] <Alonso> Oh, you mean his?[22:23] <Chaos> his page for beginners to programming extensions with EDIF[22:23] <Chaos> its quite informative[22:23] <Chaos> https://github.com/LB--/windows-edif/wiki[22:24] <Alonso> " Your wisdom is well... wise"[22:24] <Alonso>

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[22:24] <Alonso> Wise wisdom.[22:24] <Alonso> I wonder if he says that because of his beard.[22:24] <Alonso> (Nivram's)[22:24] <Chaos> haha[22:24] <Chaos> my beard provides me with crumbs from meals earlier in the day.[22:25] <liquixcat> Pfft C++[22:25] <liquixcat> Scripting language...[22:25] <Alonso> I don't have a beard ):[22:25] <Alonso> I don't want one, though. It tickles.[22:25] <Chaos> by choice or jsut cant grow one[22:25] <ProdigyX> Alonso[22:25] <ProdigyX> it still doesnt make sense[22:25] <ProdigyX> ;_;[22:26] <Alonso> What doesn't?[22:26] DT has left the room
[22:26] <ProdigyX> oh nvm[22:26] <Alonso> o.o[22:26] <ProdigyX> i meant that with eliyahu[22:26] <ProdigyX> he would knowk what i mean[22:26] <ProdigyX> **know[22:26] <Alonso> Your 25%?[22:26] <ProdigyX> ;_; now i have to wait for danny to get on[22:26] <ProdigyX> nah what nivram said about his right hand[22:26] <ProdigyX> it no make sense[22:26] <Alonso> No sentido hacer?[22:26] <ProdigyX> si si[22:27] <Chaos> Yeah ive no clue what operation hes having done, but it sounds intense.[22:27] <ProdigyX> SEE[22:27] <Chaos> perhaps cybernetic [22:27] <ProdigyX> NO ONE KNOWS[22:27] <liquixcat> My right hand gives me more joy than my Wife and still does the dishes and writes the cheques[22:27] <liquixcat>

[22:27] <Chaos> LOL lq[22:27] <Alonso> Ambidexterity ftw.[22:27] <ProdigyX> wow[22:27] <ProdigyX> i just[22:27] <ProdigyX> corrupted my .mfa[22:27] <ProdigyX> hard core[22:28] <ProdigyX> lmao[22:28] <Chaos> lol[22:28] <ProdigyX> bye bye 8 hours of work[22:28] <Alonso> Like I did a couple of weeks ago?[22:28] <Chaos> MMFail[22:28] <ProdigyX> i saved[22:28] <ProdigyX> and all[22:28] <liquixcat> So the guys behind Nitronic Rush have a Kickstarter for a new rush game basically...[22:28] <ProdigyX> i just closed the .mfa[22:28] <ProdigyX> and reopened[22:28] <Chaos> Jesus saves.[22:28] <Alonso> Chaos, I got the bad object bug like 4 times in two days.[22:28] <ProdigyX> and  now it wont play any frames[22:28] <liquixcat> Is it just me...or.... F kickstarter[22:28] <ProdigyX>

[22:28] <Alonso> x.x[22:28] <ProdigyX> alonso i got that too[22:28] <Chaos> Ugh really Alonso? thats terrible[22:28] <ProdigyX> from switching from html 5[22:28] <ProdigyX> to something else[22:28] <ProdigyX>

[22:28] <Alonso> I didn't lose any work, fortunately.[22:28] <Chaos> I got it once so far[22:28] <Alonso> I'd never gotten it![22:28] <Chaos> but I was able to repair it somehow[22:29] <ProdigyX> ahh[22:29] <ProdigyX> i just repaired it[22:29] <Alonso> And I also got the graphic-switching bug.[22:29] <ProdigyX> lol alonso DX[22:29] <Chaos> YOU TOO![22:29] <ProdigyX> load on call[22:29] <ProdigyX> haha[22:29] <Alonso> Yeah, load on call.[22:29] <Alonso> It sucks.[22:29] <Chaos> Oh man I thought i was the only one[22:29] <Chaos> wait load on call?[22:29] <Alonso> Yeah, uncheck force load on call.[22:29] <Chaos> that is what causes it?[22:29] <ProdigyX> lol[22:29] <Chaos> oh snap[22:29] <Alonso> For the frame properties.[22:29] <ProdigyX> crackle pop[22:29] <Alonso> At least, for me.[22:29] <ProdigyX> RICE CRISPIES[22:29] <Chaos> Ill give it a try, my fix for that was .... wonky.[22:29] <ProdigyX> LOL[22:30] <Alonso> Yeah, mine too at first.[22:30] <Alonso> I sent the player to a blank frame[22:30] <Alonso> And then to the level he was supposed to go.[22:30] <ProdigyX> lol[22:30] <Alonso> 2x loading times ftw.[22:30] <Chaos> well it kept doing it to my blood particles. it would replace a blood particle with the main character sprite[22:30] <Alonso> I still left the feature there if I need it in the future x)[22:30] <Chaos> so i just had to fill all 32 directions of the blood with a sprite.[22:30] <Chaos> :/[22:30] <ProdigyX> lol[22:30] <ProdigyX> MMFAIL[22:30] <Alonso> Mine kept going into the backgrounds and replacing everything. It was like that secret level in prince of persia 1.[22:31] <Chaos> lol[22:31] <Alonso> Lol, Chaos.[22:31] <Alonso> You remember that?[22:31] <Chaos> yah[22:31] <Alonso> You died on the third level from that 1 cell pit.[22:31] <liquixcat> Have any of you played frozen synapse?[22:31] <Alonso> And then you revived and went through the wall.[22:31] <Chaos> I have a friend who plays that often[22:31] <Alonso> And then you were in this weird hellish place.[22:31] <liquixcat> I bought it in humble bundle nmonths ago, never played it[22:31] <liquixcat> picked it up 2 weeks ago[22:31] <liquixcat> holy helly it's addicting[22:31] <Chaos> I just started playing Civilization V[22:32] <liquixcat> Ah, yeah I got that[22:32] <Chaos> that game is complex as hell[22:32] <liquixcat> bought it for the Wife[22:32] <liquixcat> she likes those games[22:32] <Alonso> I haven't played that game.[22:32] ProdigyX has left the room
[22:32] <liquixcat> Anno 2070, Civ5, AoE, sim city[22:32] <Chaos> something oddly amusing about playing as montezuma, and destroying the russians.[22:32] <Chaos>

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[22:32] <liquixcat> ANywho, I highly recommend pirating Frozen Synapse, so you realise you want to buy it...[22:33] ProdigyX has left the room
[22:33] <liquixcat> cause it's fun[22:33] ProdigyX has entered the room
[22:33] <liquixcat> If yo ulike strategy anyways[22:33] <ProdigyX> lol[22:33] <ProdigyX> shiz[22:33] <ProdigyX> fml[22:33] ProdigyX has left the room
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[22:33] <Chaos> someone set u up the bomb.[22:34] <Chaos> but I started programming some of my new bosses in Alonso.

[22:34] <Chaos> had to get re-familliar with my events[22:34] <liquixcat> Any of you have DLNA devices?[22:34] <liquixcat> I just bought one of these Samsung smart 3d tvs[22:34] <liquixcat> DLNA is kick ass......[22:34] <Alonso> Hehe.[22:34] <Alonso> I have a .chm file to help me, Chaos.[22:35] <Chaos> good idea[22:35] <Alonso> It's got like 40 sections.[22:35] <liquixcat> I right-click some video on my computer, click "Play to> TV"[22:35] <liquixcat> and boom... plays[22:35] <Chaos> nice[22:35] <liquixcat> 50' of LED-LCD 3D fun![22:35] <Alonso> One day tv's will be 4k in resolution.[22:35] <liquixcat> Not gonna lie, used the 3D once.... meh[22:35] <Alonso> Wasteful :/[22:35] <liquixcat> It's cool and all[22:36] <liquixcat> but...meh[22:36] <liquixcat> 4K, one day?[22:36] <Chaos> yeah the 3d thing is just a fad that will go away[22:36] <liquixcat> lol[22:36] <liquixcat> I didn't want 3D[22:36] <liquixcat> all smart tv's just...have 3d[22:36] <Alonso> 3d came first in like the 20's.[22:36] <Alonso> Then in the 50's.[22:36] <Alonso> Then in the 80's.[22:36] <Alonso> Even Hitchcock filmed a couple of his films in 3d.[22:37] <liquixcat> It gets better each time in their defense[22:37] <liquixcat> 2040's will be fun[22:37] <Alonso> Hehe.[22:37] <Chaos> lol[22:37] <Alonso> It's hell to make 3d films, though.[22:37] <Chaos> I'm still waiting for Playstation 9[22:37] <Alonso> Double everything, for starters.[22:37] <liquixcat> Oculus Rift plox[22:37] <Chaos> does anyone remember the commercials for the PS9?[22:37] <Chaos>

[22:38] <liquixcat> no? lol[22:38] <liquixcat> I must have missed 4 through 8[22:38] <Chaos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdh4TqWFfX4[22:39] <Alonso> All right, I'm going to bed.[22:39] <Alonso> Night![22:39] Alonso has left the room
[22:39] <liquixcat> Yo uknow what....[22:39] <liquixcat> probably not that far off for 2078[22:40] <Chaos> lol[22:40] <liquixcat> 67 years from now....[22:41] <liquixcat> in 1945... 67 years before now....[22:41] <liquixcat> if we showed them the PS3 on a 3D TV 5mm thick[22:41] <liquixcat> idk.....[22:41] <Chaos> minds = blown[22:41] <liquixcat> I expect full immersion by 2100[22:42] <liquixcat> I mean my mobile phone is more powerful than every computer put together in 1945[22:42] Jacob has left the room
[22:42] <liquixcat> including the 'super' ones[22:42] <liquixcat> and my phone is kind of old... lol[22:43] <Chaos> ya[22:50] Snail has left the room
[23:00] <LB> Chaos sorry I was afk[23:00] <LB> I'm glad you like the wiki

[23:00] <Chaos>

[23:00] <LB> the thing is I think I'll have to copy each page over manually to the official edif wiki[23:01] <LB> and I can't do that until an edif member creates the wiki[23:01] <LB> I've been chugging away[23:01] <LB> improving edif and adding to the wiki[23:01] <LB> it makes me feel good

[23:01] <Chaos> yah, this will be a big help to me once i finally get time to delve into it[23:01] <Chaos> extension dev, i mean[23:02] <LB> the reference will be a big task for me[23:02] <LB> but I know it will be more useful than the stuff in the MMF2SDK help file[23:02] <LB> which has been the dominate helpful thing in the past[23:02] <Chaos> yah[23:05] <LB> I've had so many problems with GitHub Flavored MarkDown simply breaking for no reason that I've had to do almost all the pages in MediaWiki[23:05] <LB> which is fine because I'm more familar with MediaWiki[23:05] <LB> I just with MarkDown was stable[23:05] <Chaos> yeah, github still confuses me a bit[23:05] <Chaos> the layout doesnt sit well with me, or the navigation[23:06] <LB> I've noticed the layout and navigation improving since I first joined[23:06] <LB> but it could definitely do with more explanation than blog posts and breif Q&As and full reference manuals[23:07] <LB> blog posts: not enough info; Q&As: way too brief; full reference manual: too tech-oriented[23:07] <LB> I've had to learn a lot of stuff through trial and error[23:08] <Chaos> yeah, i tried to mavigate Phi's github and got miserably lost. lol[23:09] <LB> omg[23:09] <LB> Phi's GitHub is a nightmare[23:09] <Chaos> lol yeah.[23:09] <LB> it's the main reason I've not been contributing[23:09] <Chaos> you can see why im skeptical about it.

[23:09] <LB> even the code is a horrible emss[23:09] <LB> *mess[23:10] <LB> Phi always seems to think he knows what he's doing but to others (at least to me) he looks like he's muddling around and trying to act professional[23:10] <liquixcat> no no[23:10] <LB> I appreciate his hard work but it seems to lack good qualities[23:10] <liquixcat> Everyone sees him that way[23:10] <LB> lol[23:11] <Chaos> ^ this[23:11] <liquixcat> In his defense, he tries[23:11] <liquixcat> better than most[23:11] <LB> that's what I appreciate about him[23:12] <LB> he's willing to put in the effort even though he's not very good at it[23:12] <Chaos> yeah[23:12] <LB> I personally can't do that[23:12] <liquixcat> Yes[23:12] <LB> he'll be successful in life, evem if he continues to do things in non-standard, dangerous, and sloppy ways[23:12] <LB> *even[23:13] <LB> with me, I have to rely on luck at getting a dream job[23:13] <Chaos> and that alone might be why he does well.

discover something awesome completely at random[23:13] <LB> programming pssionately until my boss tells me I need to go home[23:13] <liquixcat> If he continues on his lonely path, than his informal coding styles won't matter[23:13] <liquixcat> so long as he can read his writing, it's ok[23:13] <LB> oh his code is readable[23:13] <LB> it's just very obvious it is bad code[23:13] <liquixcat> but he never follows any style guides on anything I've seen of his[23:13] <LB> style?[23:14] <LB> forget his style, that's not the problem[23:14] <liquixcat> and instead of researching better practices he just does it himself[23:14] <LB> it's his design choices that are the problem[23:14] <liquixcat> like, for example, me building a python dialog popup... even though one exists[23:14] <liquixcat> he'd do that simply because he edidn't know the other exists[23:14] <LB> even when I tell him the 'correct' and 'recommended' ways to do things, or that what he's doing is deprecated or won't always work, he just makes an excuse[23:14] <liquixcat> I did it for other reasons though lol[23:15] <liquixcat> Although, I can't say much because I have no formal training in programming[23:15] <liquixcat> but I work with someone who does and infact teaches it professionally[23:15] <LB> I've had formal informal training in Java[23:15] <liquixcat> And I follow design principles in OO and style guides for Python[23:16] <liquixcat> I have a fairly good understanding on how to code as a team basically[23:16] <liquixcat> Phi...not so much[23:16] <LB> I basically skipped CompSci 1 and wen straight to CompSci 2, went to many competitions, took the AP test and got a 5, and am now in CompSci 3[23:16] <LB> *wnt[23:16] <LB> gah[23:16] <LB> *went[23:16] <LB> lol[23:17] <LB> if there's one thing Phi's better at than me, it's making good excuses and not making typos[23:17] <LB> and yes, that's two things[23:17] <Chaos> lol[23:17] <liquixcat> Also in Phi's defense, he 'knows' C++[23:17] <liquixcat> I do not lol[23:17] <LB> well if he "knows" C++ and you don't[23:17] <LB> well[23:17] <LB> you're just plain knowledgeless[23:17] <LB> (in C++)[23:17] <liquixcat> It is in my opinion that C++ is useless to me for the time being[23:18] <liquixcat> I know this can be argued to death, but I'm informed enough to think my opinion is at least mostly correct[23:18] <LB> liquixcat, languages are used because they are the line of best fit for a graph of the solution[23:18] <LB> so no one language is better than the other[23:18] <liquixcat> High level access with minimal boiler plate code and quick turn around from discuss to operational is what I need[23:18] <liquixcat> C++ doesn't do that[23:18] <liquixcat> Python does[23:19] <LB> its like saying f(x) = x^2 is better than f(x) = |x|[23:19] <liquixcat> Exactly[23:19] <liquixcat> And when all else fails..... ctypes

[23:19] <LB> I'm really liking Dylan[23:19] <LB> which Python was influenced by[23:19] <LB> unfortunately I can't get a linker working for it so I can't test any code I write[23:20] <LB> but it's a great language[23:20] <liquixcat> I'm not gonna lie, I've gone ever so slightly 'non-pythonic' with some Windows DLL's[23:20] <LB> and I like it better than python honestly[23:20] <liquixcat> BUT, incase of xplat, I got that covered

[23:20] <liquixcat> Well... not for OS X...[23:20] <liquixcat> but...screw OS X[23:20] <LB> http://opendylan.org/#liquixcat[23:20] Mathias has entered the room
[23:20] <liquixcat> Non of my users will be using that pile anyways[23:20] <LB> Hello, mathias![23:21] <LB> we were just discussing Python and Dylan[23:21] <liquixcat> Dylan, eh?[23:21] <LB> I like Dylan more than Python in terms of coolness[23:21] <liquixcat> Coolness is like the attraction to girls[23:21] <LB> but python is more practical[23:21] <liquixcat> useability and compatibility is infinitely more marriage material[23:22] <liquixcat> example: Access to low-level DLL, ODBC, MySQL and a proper and well documented UI library or framework[23:23] <liquixcat> can't stress well documented enough[23:23] <liquixcat> I push tkinter to its knees, and it always comes back a fighting because its documentation is superb[23:24] <liquixcat> lambda, ternary (Although Python basically doesn't have this), polymorphism and multiple inheritance aswell[23:24] <LB> Ding Ding Ding Dylan![23:25] <LB> there are so many people[23:25] <LB> SO MANY[23:25] <LB> that believe there is NO good use[23:25] <liquixcat> It's too late to switch now, nearly 10K LOC in Python now... but for tinkering at home[23:25] <LB> for multiple inheritance[23:25] <liquixcat> I'll take a look[23:25] <LB> well[23:25] <LB> I would like to OBJECT[23:25] LB grabs a link
[23:25] <liquixcat> My Company denies your objection[23:26] <LB> http://opendylan.org/books/drm/Collection_Classes[23:26] <liquixcat> to be perfectly honest... multiple inheritance is at most just convenient[23:26] <liquixcat> I don't think you ever need it[23:26] <LB> isn't C a convenience over writing machine code?[23:26] <liquixcat> Even in Java you can just inherit something that inherits something[23:26] <liquixcat> Yes, LB, it is[23:26] <LB> liquixcat the relationship is different[23:26] RickyG has entered the room
[23:27] <LB> O[23:27] <liquixcat> Which is why I'm saying I want it[23:27] <LB> M[23:27] <LB> G[23:27] <LB> it's RickyG[23:27] <liquixcat> not that it's necessary lol[23:27] <RickyG> LB[23:27] <RickyG> i love you man[23:27] <RickyG> bro hug[23:27] <LB> ?[23:27] LB bro hugs RG
[23:27] LB stops hugging
[23:27] <liquixcat> I don't get it, are you for or against multi-inheritance[23:27] <LB> for[23:27] <liquixcat> ah, good[23:27] <liquixcat> yes[23:28] <LB> well, I'm mainly against people who say it has no uses[23:28] <liquixcat> Its use is convenience[23:28] <liquixcat> as far as I've come across[23:28] <LB> exactly![23:28] LB grabs another link
[23:28] <liquixcat> It's rare I need it, but I'm glad I have it

[23:29] <liquixcat> Does Dylan have decorators? I like them lol...[23:29] <LB> I don't know[23:29] <RickyG> i require an  alpha tester[23:29] <LB> I've not finished reading the DRM[23:29] <LB> what are decorators, liquixcat?[23:30] <liquixcat> It's just a way to put a function into a template of another function[23:30] <liquixcat> You might ask, whats the point[23:30] <liquixcat> and.... you got me... idk[23:30] <liquixcat> its cool though[23:31] <LB> oh yeah[23:31] <LB> Dylan has that[23:31] LB grabs link
[23:31] <liquixcat> LOL[23:31] <LB> http://opendylan.org/documentation/intro-dylan/methods-generic-functions.html#local-methods[23:32] <LB> there you go liquixcat[23:32] <LB> second example[23:32] <liquixcat> I dislike this syntax[23:32] <LB> very lispy[23:33] <liquixcat> does it have iterators and generators?[23:33] <LB> yes to iterators[23:33] <liquixcat> types*[23:33] <LB> everything in dylan is essentially a first-class object[23:34] <LB> CLOS, ALGOL, Scheme, EuLisp all influenced Dylan, Dylan influenced Goo, Python, Ruby[23:34] <liquixcat> so is Pythons everything[23:34] <LB> what does that statement mean?[23:34] <liquixcat> I mean to say 'almost' everything in Python is also a first-class object[23:34] <LB> yeah[23:35] <LB> http://opendylan.org/documentation/intro-dylan/expressions-variables.html#the-nature-of-variables[23:35] <liquixcat> Interesting[23:35] <liquixcat> so how to do bind to the value of x[23:35] <liquixcat> instead of x itself[23:36] <LB> you can't bind to x itself[23:36] <LB> you can only bind to whatever x is bound to[23:37] <LB> like Java, Dylan has no ability to make the basic swap(a, b) function[23:37] <LB> liquixcat do you use nil a lot in python?[23:38] <liquixcat> Only in sql[23:38] <LB> good[23:38] <LB> "Note that Dylan variables must be bound to a particular value when they are declared. In the name of type safety and implementation efficiency, every variable must refer to some well-defined object."[23:38] <LB> no such thing asd nil, null, undefined, etc[23:38] <LB> *as[23:39] <LB> anyway back to the point[23:39] <liquixcat> The way Python works doesn't really require empty variables[23:39] <LB> MI is a convenience[23:39] <liquixcat> although I do create empty arrays[23:39] <LB> but people think it has no uses[23:39] <LB> so they find inconvenient ways to say MI is not needed[23:39] <LB> http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/lounge/80630/#msg434080 part 1[23:39] <LB> http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/lounge/80630/2/#msg434256 part 2[23:40] <LB> http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/lounge/80630/2/#msg434457 part 3[23:40] <liquixcat> Why are people argueing over such a useless thing to argue about[23:40] <LB> http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/lounge/80630/3/#msg436965 part 4 (the evil part)[23:40] <liquixcat> It's like argueing about ashtrays being put into cars when you don't smoke[23:40] <LB> liquixcat I started the discussion[23:40] <liquixcat> who cares... it's there for smokers...[23:41] <LB> because I wanted to learn[23:41] <liquixcat> Oh, wow you did LOL[23:41] <LB>

[23:41] <liquixcat> An issue I have with Python is Public, Private and Protected don't exist[23:41] <LB> Mathias[23:41] <LB> Mathias Mathias[23:41] <LB> liquixcat just complained about the lack of evilness[23:42] <liquixcat> Actually, to be frank, it's not my complaint, although I am tired of hearing about it from the co-developer who is old-school[23:42] <LB> haha[23:42] <liquixcat> I remember argueing about it not being needed last time I was on CC infact[23:42] <liquixcat> Its the same thing as multi-inheritance though[23:43] <liquixcat> I mean, it might be useful to put it in there for those who want it[23:43] <liquixcat> but at the same time, Python is very strict on those kind of suggestions[23:43] <Chaos> http://i.imgur.com/AqgVE.jpg[23:43] <LB> I think it should be "public" and "implementation-defined", with the latter giving a warning when you access such members[23:43] <liquixcat> I think i said that.....[23:43] <LB> lol Chaos[23:44] <liquixcat> LOL Chaos[23:44] <LB> liquix I don't recall you saying that[23:44] <liquixcat> I know I've said that[23:44] <liquixcat> Phi was arguieng about it with me[23:44] <liquixcat> And... you were there....[23:44] <liquixcat> or maybe Looki[23:44] <LB>

[23:44] <LB> well I've forgotten it an reinvented it as my own idea[23:44] <LB> you've performed inception on me[23:45] <LB> *and[23:45] <liquixcat> Meh, was just a tiny script I made[23:45] <LB>

[23:45] <liquixcat> import inception made it easier, I love Python[23:45] <LB> import antigravity[23:45] <liquixcat> lol[23:45] <liquixcat> Even non-Python developers know about that[23:45] <liquixcat> gotta love xkcd[23:45] <LB> indeed[23:46] <LB> it's a visual blog of a person's mind[23:46] <LB> what is there not to enjoy[23:46] <liquixcat> Yes but it seems his filter is removed[23:46] <LB> definitely[23:46] <liquixcat> when I try to put words to my thoughts.... it comes out as murmurs[23:46] <Chaos> my comes out as wierd japanese porno.[23:46] LB just gets overwhelmed trying to account for every aspect of his thoughts
[23:46] <liquixcat> Indeed[23:47] <liquixcat> Actually, the big problem is losing track of what i was thinking before I could say it all[23:47] <liquixcat> Before I know it I'm on a tangent that literally had nothing to do with it[23:47] <liquixcat> Then I'm stuck there thinking: "Did this make sense in my head?"[23:48] <liquixcat> I read this very long, well thought out piece on Compiled and scripted languages[23:48] <liquixcat> and which fall under which[23:49] <liquixcat> He made a very good point, which I fail to remember, but basically.....[23:49] <liquixcat> The language _you_ are using is compiled, the language the other guy is using is _scripted_[23:49] <liquixcat> oops... didn't mean to put emphasis on scripted[23:50] <liquixcat> I said this to my local Java 'expert' (which consequently makes him a security expert aswell ba-zinga)[23:50] <liquixcat> he laughed....as he should[23:52] <liquixcat> Oops, I've killed the conversation....[23:52] <LB> sorry was afk[23:53] <liquixcat> Aren't you a self-proclaimed autistic[23:54] <LB> yes[23:54] <LB> Asperger's[23:54] <liquixcat> What makes you think that?[23:54] <LB> and ADHD[23:54] <LB> I've been tested for both[23:54] <LB> :p[23:54] <liquixcat> You do tedious left brained repetitive work in programming and you think you're deficient in attention?[23:56] <LB> yes[23:56] <LB> I need medicine to focus[23:56] <LB> or I need to be tired to focus[23:56] <liquixcat> Ridillin?[23:56] <LB> no[23:56] <LB> FocalinXR[23:56] <liquixcat> tired to focus.....[23:56] <liquixcat> o[23:57] <liquixcat> my[23:57] <liquixcat> f'n....[23:57] <LB> ?[23:57] <liquixcat> god...[23:57] <liquixcat> THATS WHY[23:57] <liquixcat> I sleep less and I do WAY better, I learn better, I code better[23:57] <liquixcat> everything makes more sense[23:57] <LB> yeah haha[23:57] <liquixcat> I just thought of this yesterday![23:57] <LB> do your best coding at night?[23:57] <liquixcat> oh yes definitely... or when I get like 5 hours sleep[23:58] <LB> the reason is that when you're tired your brain releases chemicals to slow your movement[23:58] <LB> this is the stuff that causes sleep paralysis[23:58] Chaos has left the room
[23:58] <LB> but it also slows thinking[23:58] <LB> which, for hyperthinking people, helps them focus[23:59] <liquixcat> wow...[23:59] <liquixcat> you have no idea how much sense that made to me[23:59] <liquixcat> I was purposely sleeping 4 - 5 hours a night so I could work better[00:00] <LB> Einstein only slept 45 minutes/night[00:02] <liquixcat> Interesting[00:02] <liquixcat> well thanks for that[00:02] <liquixcat> Works over, see ya later[00:02] liquixcat has left the room